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Post by paul45 on Jul 17, 2017 17:27:04 GMT
I think your missing the point Alan, for the first time ever trainers are in the best position they have ever been in to get an increase in prize money for owners and themselves, but yesterday they were taken in separately to sign an 18 month contract so they wont be able to leave to go to another track where the prize money will prob be twice the amount your running for at the zoo. Of course a little sweetner has been offered according to your strength and some have signed it. CAN THEY NOT SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE. Owners are hard enough to find at the moment and I can see them becoming even scarcer when they see they can be running on a track up the road for massive prize money. Once again because they cant stand together nothing will change for owners, and trainers and kennel staff will still be struggling to make ends meet. As for getting written permission to go open racing, please don't be nieve Alan, if you want to go for an open race and the racing office need it for an A1, then you cant take it, THESE TRAINERS HAVE MADE THAT DECISION ABOUT OWNERS DOGS, OWNERS HAVE HAD NO SAY IN THE MATTER HOW IS THAT CORRECT. THE ONLY WINNERS AGAIN ARE THE PROMOTERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOT YOU ALL CHEAP YET AGAIN. Alison
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 19:57:46 GMT
Hi Alison - I don't consider for one moment that I have anything wrong here as I am saying it as I see it!
You certainly called the trainers position correct, but what a mess they appear to be making of it! That is if the feedback stories are to be believed.
I have been banging on about the need for Trainers and Owners to work together for years and it has never happened - not even close!
Even now you are finding trainers as a group NOT working together and "from a position of strength"! The strength in this case would be togetherness, but rarely ever have they worked together for a common cause.
I am led to believe that Trainers are supposed to have a spokesperson, were they consulted by fellow trainers before signing any commitment(s)?
I am reliably informed that this didn't happen, so if they are unwilling to work for and with each other on this - how can they be in a position to battle for more prize-money for individual owners which of course includes many of their own kind.
Your position of strength is a myth - unless that is, you bond together and work hard together for a reasonable resolution, if of course it isn't already too late!
I wish you well.
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Post by BVADMIN on Jul 17, 2017 23:06:43 GMT
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Post by george36 on Jul 18, 2017 11:11:49 GMT
Should the above conditions be true, if I was lucky enough to own an A1/Open racer I would be instructing him to take it off the graded strength immediately. The GRA may put the golden handcuffs on the trainers, but not the owners. Does this not show what contempt they have for the owners when they want to restrict you to where your dog can run. I would not want to put my trainer in the position of breaking that rule as the sanctions and grading afterwards could be damaging to their livelihoods. Don't think they want top class racing, just BAGS fodder, which is disappointing. Trainers being taken in individually and asked to sign contracts there and then could be construed as coercion. They could have all been addressed together but divide and conquer is the tactics used. Personally I would have liked the trainers to stick together, but as self employed or small business owners I can see their difficulty. Owners consulted, no , just keep providing the raw materials at your own expense. As has been said above, this could be a massive opportunity missed.
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Post by johnlamb41 on Jul 18, 2017 12:09:16 GMT
With some trainers already signed up the horse as well and truly bolted and as you say divide and conquer.It has Been said like in Ireland the prize money will rise but not at the GRA tracks so I would imagine some owners might be moving there top dogs where the good prize money is
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Post by johncox on Jul 18, 2017 14:33:02 GMT
I bet no bv trainer get`s a five figure pay off unless they put it in pound shilling and pence, No way will they give 10k to bv trainers. As has been said put the prize money up which long term will benifit all partys, how will they enforce these contracts and no doubt they will be a one sided afair. On the bright side bv are open for another 18months cause they woudn`t tell porkey`s would they?...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 17:23:33 GMT
Should the above conditions be true, if I was lucky enough to own an A1/Open racer I would be instructing him to take it off the graded strength immediately. The GRA may put the golden handcuffs on the trainers, but not the owners. Does this not show what contempt they have for the owners when they want to restrict you to where your dog can run. I would not want to put my trainer in the position of breaking that rule as the sanctions and grading afterwards could be damaging to their livelihoods. Don't think they want top class racing, just BAGS fodder, which is disappointing. Trainers being taken in individually and asked to sign contracts there and then could be construed as coercion. They could have all been addressed together but divide and conquer is the tactics used. Personally I would have liked the trainers to stick together, but as self employed or small business owners I can see their difficulty. Owners consulted, no , just keep providing the raw materials at your own expense. As has been said above, this could be a massive opportunity missed. George if your trainer is one of the trainers that has signed the contract , and I believe there are a number who haven't, why would you be worried about putting your trainer in the position of breaking that rule, did he/she think of you as an owner when he/she was putting a few quid in their back pocket. As Alison stated the trainers were in a position to negotiate a massive increase in prize money for not only us owners but also themselves.
As an example if a increase as little as £5 per run and a trainer had 10 runners a week that would be an increase of £3900 for that trainer over the 18 months of the agreement , I believe the figures that the Belle Vue trainers have signed up for is between £1000 to £2000 and nothing for the owners
Its been said that the GRA show not respect or consideration to owners, I would say why should they the trainers don't appear to care about the owners lot as long as they get a few quid in their back pockets.
I would like to thank the trainers who have refused to sign the contracts and care about their owners .
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Post by benny on Jul 18, 2017 17:51:29 GMT
personally, I can't understand the hysteria.it's being condemned before its started.whats not to like about a good few quid for free. the souls being sold occurred many years ago, its not a new thing. things such as free kenneling will have had more of a bearing on earnings than any thing that this new deal will do. AND no one is forcing anyone to accept this deal you either sign or you don't.if you don't I can't see it making much of a difference.you would just lose out on the bonus offered. and if there's more to earn elsewhere then just go.omo.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 18:00:56 GMT
Benny glad your happy with your few quid in you back pocket. This is the owners forum us owners have been sold up the river by the trainers . Do the figures, work out how much you will lose in the 18 months by not sticking together and forcing a better deal for owners and trainers .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 19:16:38 GMT
If what skippy says is right it would appear that some trainers have sold there owners down the river and thru there greed have lost not only owners but themselves thousands of pounds.I feel that they have been conned by the establishment.I will be disgusted if my trainer has signed up without consulting me or my dogs are on there way elsewhere
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